Wednesday, December 14, 2016

Water Baptism in the Earthly Kingdom

Bro Ron, you previously mentioned that water baptism is an ordinance for the Nation of Israel "and will be until the earthly kingdom.” Can you clarify that?  Does it mean that it was for the Jews and will be again for them and Gentiles after rapture? Or is it from then until the earthly kingdom? Is water baptism an ordnance for us today. ? I thought it was on pause until after the rapture. The way I'm understanding it, is we don't need to be water baptized  Are your members baptized in your congregation?

To the first part of your 2nd question:  as I previously expounded on in my first answer [Water Baptism In The Old Testament] to your 1st question, the original intent of water baptism was to cleanse the Nation of Israel to be a kingdom of priest of God in order to minister to the Gentile nations in the kingdom.

That was what the Old Testament testified to, as do the so-called New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (as well as early Acts). (I use the words “so-called” because although the books of the bible that come after Old Testament book of Malachi are commonly called the “New Testament,” scripturally, we know that the economy/program that the Lord Jesus Christ and the people of Israel operated under during the “four gospels” was still that Old Testament Law economy: Luke 1:5-6; Matthew 19:16-17; Galatians 4:4).

As far as water baptism being an ordinance for the nation of Israel exclusively “until the earthly kingdom” is concerned, the scriptures make it is clear that that is the case! Scripture says in the book of Matthew that the water baptism associated with the gospel of the kingdom will go out unto the Gentiles after the Lord returns…

Matthew 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

You also asked: Does it mean that it was for the Jews and will be again for them & Gentiles after the rapture? Or is it from then until the early by kingdom?  Yes, after the Rapture, however not immediately after the rapture, but after the Rapture once the kingdom is set up (in my studies/opinion/speculation around 17 years after the Rapture). So not right after the Rapture, but early on in the kingdom.

All this will happen after the Lord actually returns.

Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Isaiah 2:2-3
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.  And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Once the earthly kingdom begins, our Lord Jesus Christ will be calling out people from among the Gentile nations for the glory of His name…

Psalm 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Isaiah 19:24-25
In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

Acts 15:14-17
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,  After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:  That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

James’ quote is from Amos 9:11-12  In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:  That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the Lord that doeth this.

So, one day, during his earthly kingdom, our Lord will call out a people from among the Gentile nations through the gospel of the kingdom for His name sake! This will happen during the first 1,000 years (commonly called the Millennium) of His Eternal kingdom.

In order to cleanse these Gentiles, water baptism will be instituted during the earthly kingdom (Matthew 28).

But like during the Lord’s earthly ministry, just because someone is initially water baptized does not mean that they will continue to believe our Lord.

Many of our Lord’s Jewish disciples who were baptized, refused to endure suffering for Him, and fell away.

John 6:66
From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

(Notice it is John 666…the number of the Beast/Anti-Christ in Rev. 13:7-8).

Acts 8:13
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. (Simon then was rebuked by Peter, and his baptism and initial belief was made null and void…v. 18-24).

Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 10:26-29
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Regarding your question: Is water baptism an ordnance for us today?  My answer is no.  Like I said in my previous answer, water baptism in not an ordinance/requirement for today in the dispensation of grace for the Body of Christ. 

I ended that email showing that our Apostle Paul says in Ephesians 4:5, that there is only one baptism for today! And he already wrote earlier his epistle of 1 Corinthians that that baptism was a spiritual one, not one done by man like water baptism!

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

So, no, water baptism is not an ordinance for us today. And yes, it is ‘on pause’ until after the Rapture.

Lastly, you wrote: The way I'm understanding is we don't need to be water baptized.  Are your members baptized in your congregation?  Yes, your understanding is correct. Today, we members of the Body of Christ do not need to be water baptized because of the verses that I just cited, above.

And you also asked: Are the members of my congregation here at Norcalgrace baptized? Yes, all those here who have put their faith and trust in our Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and are saved, have been baptized…baptized by One Spirit into One Body. Even those who were never water baptized have been baptized. Every saved person has been baptized even if they never have gone through water baptism.

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Hopefully this helps!

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