Thursday, May 31, 2012


Coming from a Baptist background I have always been taught…

Let me make a comment on this, the body of Christ is not supposed to be divided.  "Denomination" simply means "division."

1 Corinthians 1:10

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 3:3

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

1 Corinthians 11:18

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

Romans 16:17

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Denominations are not good.  Denominations <-> denominator.  Remember in school when you did fractions, with the numerator being the number above the line and denominator being the number below the line?  When you do a fraction you divide the bottom number into the top.  Fractions are not good when it comes to the church, the body of Christ.  Denominations are divisions.

Regarding the Baptist denomination, look what Paul says about baptism…

1 Corinthians 1:17

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Denominational teaching divides the body of Christ and that takes away from (makes of none effect) the cross of Christ.  Denominations put the focus on you and your sin and your performance and not on the Lord Jesus Christ and what He accomplished at Calvary.  I am glad that you realize as you read the Apostle Paul that physical baptism in scripture represented a spiritual truth that would come for and is applicable to Israel.  In the Bible, baptism means to be totally identified with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, which is what they (Israel) will be in the Kingdom.  We in the Body of Christ have that now.

1 Corinthians 12:13

For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 

So you see, in this present dispensation of the grace of God we experience that spiritual truth now.  Baptism which is for and applicable to the body of Christ is a dry, spiritual identification performed by the Holy Spirit; not the wet, physical baptism ordinance for and applicable to Israel in time past and reinstated in the ages to come after the catching away of the body of Christ.

Hopefully this helps...Maranatha!

Tuesday, May 29, 2012

All the bible is for us

I appreciate your teaching and have learned so much.  Now the bible makes so much sense!  But, I do struggle with the idea that Genesis through Acts 9 and Hebrews through Revelation is 'for' us, but not 'to' or 'about' us.

Let me see if I can help.  When it comes to “for us,” all 66 books of our King James Bible are for our learning.  God wants us to know them.  But then I will say that not every book of the bible and not every verse in the bible is written directly to us and about us, today in the body of Christ.

When we rightly divide the word of truth, we understand that it is the 13 letters of the Apostle Paul (Romans through Philemon) that are both for us and speak directly to us and are about us living today in the present dispensation of the grace of God.

It is not just Genesis through Acts 9 that is for us; it is Genesis through the entire book of Acts.  The audience of those books, the people to whom God is directly speaking (to them, for them and about them) is the nation of Israel.

Genesis was written by Moses, the great deliverer of the nation of Israel out from Egypt, the great prophet and law-giver.  Acts was written by Luke who also wrote the gospel of Luke.  The focus of the entire book of Acts is on, to, and about the nation of Israel.  Although the account of our Apostle Paul being saved is in Acts, every bit of Acts has a Jewish focus.

For example, the account of the Jerusalem council is in Acts 15.  The focus of that is Jewish.  But when you hear about it again in Galatians 2 written by Paul, the focus is on the primarily gentile body of Christ.  Titus is mentioned in Galatians 2.

Galatians 2:1 

Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

He is not mentioned by name in Acts 15.  Because he was an uncircumcised gentile, Titus is only referred to as ‘certain other of them,’ although he was a believer in the body of Christ.

Acts 15:2 

When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.


So Genesis through Acts is written directly to, about, and for the nation of Israel.  It is the same with Hebrews through Revelation.  The context is the future of the Hebrew people.

But, there are only 13 books that carry the name of Paul.  God began every book that Paul wrote with his name.  God wants us to know who wrote them—it’s for our learning.  He wants us to know that they are not only for us, but they are to us and about us.

Romans 11:13 

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:


So in those 13 letters God is magnifying Paul’s office.

1 Corinthians 14:37

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


So Genesis through Acts and Hebrews through Revelation speak directly to and about the nation of Israel; but the 13 letters of Paul – Romans through Philemon – are for the mystery dispensation of Grace and they are not only for us, but they are to us and about us.  Paul tells us that in Romans 15.

Romans 15:1-3
We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.   Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification [building up one another in Christ].   For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

Paul, our apostleI is speaking to us gentiles in the body of Christ and he uses the Lord Jesus Christ as an example for us to follow.  He is going to quote an Old Testament passage.  Why would he do this?  Because the book of Romans was written during the transitional period of the book of Acts.  There were both Jews and gentiles in the church (the body of Christ) in Rome.  When Paul says that he is the apostle to gentiles he is telling us his main purpose; but when you study the book of Acts, you’ll see that most of the early members of the church, the body of Christ, were Jews.  Paul would first go into the synagogues and some of those Jews would be saved and become members of the body of Christ like Paul.

Paul begins chapter seven by saying that he ‘speaks to them that know the law’ (that would be the Jews in the church at Rome).  In Paul’s early epistles (1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians and Romans), the focus is on both Jews and Gentiles.  So because there were Jews in those assemblies at the time, Paul would quote the old testament quite a bit in his first six epistles.  As far as we know, Paul had only written those five books before he wrote Romans, but they contained a whole canon of Scripture from the old testament.

Romans 15:3
For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, [here he is going to the authority of the written Word of God—the old testament...] The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

This is a quote from Psalm 69:9.  This is in context of Israel’s Messiah.  Psalm 69 is a Messianic psalm that speaks of the suffering of Messiah for the sins of his people Israel (Isaiah 53).  We know from the progressive revelation of the mystery of Christ that he died not only for the sins of many (Israel), but for all.

1 Timothy 2:6  

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.


It is in that context that Paul goes back and quotes the old testament, even though the book of Psalms is not written directly to you and me as members of the body of Christ.  We’re a part of the mystery program, and Psalms is part of the prophecy program to Israel.  It’s about their earthly kingdom and what their Messiah is going to do for them.  But the application of the spiritual principle does apply for you and me today for our learning.  The ‘for us’ part is that it is for our learning.

Reading Genesis through Acts and Hebrews through Revelation is for our learning.  God wants us to know that information and by knowing that information we are able to rightly divide the word of truth.  God wants us to know all of his word and he wants us to rightly divide it.  And when we know all the information in Genesis through Acts and Hebrews through Revelation, and we can see how different it is from what God has said to us through Paul, it makes it easier to rightly divide the word of truth.

In Romans, Paul—speaking to us, the body of Christ—tells us that we ought to bear the infirmities of the weak and not please ourselves.  He gives us the example of the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Romans 15:3
For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written [that is, on the authority of the written word of God in the old testament), The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

The spiritual principle is that we need to bear the infirmity of the weak; bear their burdens and build them up.  Our example is the Lord Jesus Christ.  We “know” that because it was written in the scriptures that he did that—we “learn” from that Scripture.  That reference in the old testament is not written directly to or about us, but we can read it and “learn” from it because it is for us.

Verse 4 is the explanation of what Paul had just taught us in Romans 15:1-3:

4For whatsoever things were written aforetime [the scriptures] were written for our learning, that [here is the purpose] we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope….

What God has written down (in the old testament including Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) is written for our learning.  What is going to help us patiently endure and give us comfort?  The scriptures!  God has already written down in advance in our King James Bible what he is going to do in the future.   We can trust it.

2 Peter 1:19 

We have also a more sure word of prophecy [that which is spoken by God];


Romans 15:4
…, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

What is hope?  A confident expectation!  When God says he is going to do something, we can trust him.  God has made promises to the nation of Israel and he will fulfill them.  He is not fulfilling those promises to Israel today because he’s doing something different.  Paul’s epistles are scripture and in them he is telling us that.  So, God wants us to learn from his word.

Let’s go to 1 Corinthians 10.  Again, this is an early book of Paul’s in which he is rebuking the saints at Corinth because they were very carnal and they rejected the Apostle Paul’s authority.  Remember, there are Jews and Gentiles in the assembly.

1 Corinthians 10:5

But with many of them [the nation of Israel that came out of Egypt with Moses] God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. [You will see in Exodus through Deuteronomy many of God’s nation provoked God to wrath.] Now these things were our examples, [How were these things examples for us the body of Christ?…] to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Interesting!  God put that information in the scriptures for an example to you and me today that we should not lust after evil things.  He did that so we could know God’s attitude toward sin.  It is a written account of how God dealt with the nation of Israel under the law.  He did not like their sin and they were severely punished for it.

Now God will not punish us the same way today.  We can only understand that, if we rightly divide the word.  We are under grace.  But sin—whether it is under the law or under grace—is still not pleasing to God.

1 Corinthians 10: 6

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

God is not pleased by lusting after evil things whether you were under the law back then or under grace today.  But the consequences are different.  He brought direct, swift consequences to them; but he doesn’t do that with us today.  Even so, sin does have consequences through the ‘sowing and reaping’ principle.

Galatians 6:7 

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


We also learn that we are not to be idolaters…

1 Corinthians 10:7

Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

He is telling the Corinthians, and us, don’t be idol worshipers.  The Corinthians, even as members of the body of Christ, were returning to idol worship because of their culture.  They were going to temples of idols and eating food sacrificed to idols with the idolaters.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Paul is telling them not to be idolaters “as it is written.”  We can go back and read and learn about God’s attitude towards idolaters.  God’s attitude towards idolatry never changes.  Look what else Paul calls idolatry:

Colossians 3:5 

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

1 Corinthians 10:8
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

They committed fornication and many of them died instantly.  Don’t you do it…not because you will die instantly (you won’t) but…because you know God’s attitude toward sin.  All scripture is for us because we learn God’s attitude towards sin.

1 Corinthians 10:9-10
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. [Numbers 21:6]  Neither murmur ye [speaking to the believing Corinthians], as some of them also murmured [we are not to go against Paul’s authority as they went against Moses’], and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now here is the conclusion…

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples

Ensample is a sample of the whole—like a small sample of food you can try at the store so you will know what the whole tastes like.  All those things happened to the nation of Israel for ensamples to them.  The other Jews were supposed to see it and know that if they did what their brethren did, God would punish them the same way.  But notice how Paul separates it:

…and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

He is speaking about two different groups of people.  The things written in the old testament were written for Israel as ensamples unto them; but they were also written for our admonition (the church, the body of Christ) as an ‘instructive warning.’

Genesis through Acts and Hebrews through Revelation are written to let us know and understand God’s plan, purpose and program for the nation of Israel.  When we rightly divide and see his promises fulfilled for Israel, we are confident that he will fulfill his promises to us as well.

Without Hebrews through Revelation in the bible, we would have Genesis through Acts where God is making all these promises to Israel and then we would have the epistles of Paul bringing in of a new dispensation of grace through the Apostle Paul.  We would think that God is done with Israel—but he is not done with Israel!  So, how do we learn that?  After Paul’s epistles we have Hebrews (to the Hebrew people) through Revelation that show that he is not done; and, that He will in fact give them their promised earthly kingdom.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Without Hebrews through Revelation, we would be left to think that God had made all kinds of promises to the nation and didn’t fulfill them.  Yes, they were in unbelief, but God made promises.  It is in the books of Hebrews through Revelation that we know and learn God will complete His plan and purpose for the prophetic program (as spoken by the prophets since the world began), and bring in the Kingdom.

Luke 1:70
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Genesis through Acts gives the promises for the nation of Israel, and the beginning of the promises being fulfilled with the first coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.  In the book of Acts, Israel falls.   And when they fell, God did something different.  It is in Paul’s epistles (Romans through Philemon) that we learn that salvation comes to the Gentiles and God builds the church, the body of Christ, in the heavenly places.

But is God finished?  No!

Romans 11:11, 25-26

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles


For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.  And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

So Hebrews through Revelation is written for the future to say that God will continue his plan and purpose with Israel when he is done with the body of Christ.  He will fulfill that Kingdom promise.  We learn about God’s faithfulness from Hebrews through Revelation.

1 Corinthians 10:11 

Now all these things happened unto them [Israel] for ensamples: and they are written for our [the body of Christ's] admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


He is talking about the different dispensations.  There was the dispensation of Law to Israel.  But now, we are in the dispensation of grace.  He is talking about the culmination of all that God is doing in Heaven and earth.  When Paul wrote his letter to the Corinthians, he did not realize that the dispensation of grace would be as long as it is.  In his mind, it would end with the rapture in his lifetime.  God wants every believer to believe in the immanency of the Lord’s return.

In conclusion the ‘for us’ is so that we can learn about God’s attitude towards sin through Israel’s example, even though he isn’t judging us immediately today.  We can also learn about God’s faithfulness and have hope because when we read Hebrews through Revelation we realize that God will complete his plan and purpose with Israel; but before he does that, he has to finish his plan and purpose with us by taking us to the heavenly places based upon grace.

Titus 2:13 

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;


Titus 3:7

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Thursday, May 24, 2012

Iron mixed with miry clay

Will the ten kings in Revelation 17 actually have DNA that is a mixture of human and fallen angel DNA like the giants of old, or will they be demon possessed and controlled?  Prophecies in Daniel and Matthew sound like Satan could again be tampering with DNA the way he did in Genesis 6 before the flood.


Daniel 2:41, 43

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.  … And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


Matthew 24:37

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The giants of old were the offspring of the sons of God (fallen angels) and the daughters, were of men; they were on the earth both before the flood and after.


Genesis 6:2,4

That the sons of God [fallen angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  … There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Numbers 13:32-33

And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Goliath was one.


1 Samuel 17:4

And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

So was Amalek.


Exodus 17:8

Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.

I’m going to say that the ten kings will be demon possessed and controlled.  Here’s why: when you look at the Lord Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry, there were no giants in the land but there were people who were demon possessed and controlled.  So after the rapture, conditions in Israel will be the way they were before this current dispensation of grace began.  Devils will again be cast out of people as they were during Christ’s earthly ministry. 

Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Mark 16:17

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


Luke 11:14

And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.


Luke 13:32

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

The prophetic program will pick up again just as if the dispensation of grace hadn’t happened.

So what does it mean to be demon possessed and controlled?  That’s saying a lot.  I’m going to show you a couple of things.  Judas was a human being, and scripture says that Satan entered him.


Luke 22:3

Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

It says that Satan put certain things to do in Judas’ mind.


John 13:2

And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

I can’t say for sure, but I think this is what is going to happen with the ten kings.  There could be ten years between the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation, so there won’t be any of those giants on the earth.  They would only be a few years old.  So it will be like it was in Christ’s day when some humans were controlled by fallen angels/devils.

These ten kings will be aligned with the antichrist around the same time he is struck with a mortal wound in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week. That’s when the man of sin dies and the son of perdition takes over. 

Revelation 13:1, 3, 12, 14

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  … And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. … And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  … And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Devil possession will start in full the moment the body is raptured.  There will no longer be any righteousness to stop it and it will run rampant.  I believe the son of perdition will be Judas, who is also called the man of sin, because there is a precedent set that Satan has already been dealing with Judas by entering him and establishing a relationship.

Luke 22:3

Then entered Satan into Judas…

John 13:2

And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

So you’ve got to put two and two together.


Acts 5:3

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

It’s a thinking process.  That’s how he works.  Satan entered Judas by putting thoughts into his mind.  How does the Spirit of God work with us?  Through the spirit of our mind. Judas went to his own place and will come back.


Acts 1:25

That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

The man of sin will have the body of antichrist; Judas will be his human soul; and Satan will enter him and be his spirit.  They will reunite in the antichrist.

Let’s look at the possibility that there could be a human/ fallen angel DNA mixture.  Daniel speaks of the ten kings – the toes of the image in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream.


Daniel 2:41, 43

And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.  … And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The miry clay represents humanity, and iron represents stars – the angels.  Will this happen literally?  It doesn’t have to.  Scripture says that two people were to come before the kingdom – Elijah and that prophet spoken of by Moses (the two witnesses).  Did Elijah come?  He did come in the person of John the Baptist.


Matthew 11:14

And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.


Matthew 17:12

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Luke 1:17

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

If Israel had received him, John would have been that Elijah who was to come, and Christ would have been that prophet.  God did fulfill that prophesy in spirit and in power.  So we see that the miry clay mixed with iron doesn’t necessarily have to be a literal human/fallen angel DNA mixture like in Genesis 6.  It could be humans controlled by those angels.  Judas was a picture of, a type of that miry clay of humanity mixed with iron when Satan entered him and controlled him. 

When devils possessed humans, they gave them supernatural strength.

Matthew 8:28

And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.


Mark 5:2-4

And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

They had the strength of the fallen angels (devils) that possessed them.

In Genesis 6, the purpose of that mixing was to contaminate the seed line of Messiah, but since he has already come, it won’t be necessary for that DNA mixture.  Before the age of grace, Satan used men like Judas by putting his thoughts in their minds.  I believe the same thing will happen with the ten kings in Revelation.

Another reason is that God will not allow that DNA mixture to occur during the dispensation of grace.  The only time that the devils mixed genetics was during the prophecy program, as in Genesis 6.  God is doing something different today; and Satan’s focus isn’t the earth right now.  There is no need for Satan to corrupt human DNA in this dispensation.  That wouldn’t be a hindrance to what God is doing today with and through his heavenly people, the Body of Christ.  Satan wants to hinder humans from being saved.

It is possible that there are very diluted remnants of that DNA mixture in the population today.  Gigantism today is a genetic flaw, and giants today are physically weak, not strong like Goliath and the others.   

Deuteronomy 3:11

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.