Thursday, August 16, 2012

Blood Sacrifices after the Cross


Could you give further clarification regarding this statement from the Q&A “Beginning to end: Blood is required” posted June 10, 2011?

“So yes, while he ministered on earth, the Lord's disciples still offered the Mosaic Law animal sacrifices, but after his death, burial and resurrection, the reason they went to the temple for was to fellowship and preach/teach Jesus Christ to the rest of Israel going there to worship.”

If the Jews will need to bring sacrifices during the Millennium when the prophetic program is reinstated, why didn't the Little Flock also need to bring sacrifices after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ?


They did.  I should have said in that post that the main reason they went to the temple was to fellowship and preach Jesus Christ. The Little Flock never stopped offering the sacrifices of the law.  They never stopped temple worship.  The best way to see this is that the Lord never told them to, except with one caveat:

Matthew 24:15a; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15b
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, … Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [the Antichrist  …will install the idol/image in the temple] …(whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

It is then that the Little Flock will be freed from offering sacrifices in the temple.

The dispensation of grace began with the salvation of our Apostle Paul about A.D. 30 in Acts 9.  It was only in A.D. 70 (exactly 40 years after our Lord was rejected and crucified by the nation of Israel) that temple worship ceased because Titus and the Romans destroyed the temple.

The prophetic books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and even Acts don’t focus on the physical, animal sacrifice and the law, even though the Jews were under the law.

Galatians 4:4

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 23:2
Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [“seat” represents authority, and Moses was the great law giver.]

They were not to break even the least of these commandments.

Matthew 5:18-19
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled [in the Kingdom].  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Little Flock (believers on the Lord Jesus Christ in his earthly ministry and the book of Acts) still continued temple worship even after Paul was saved in that transitional period in Acts.  So you see, the focus of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is Christ, not the law.

Romans 3:21-22
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John [the Baptist]: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law and the prophets pointed to Jesus Christ.  Paul says that the law was a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

So Christ is the issue.  He magnified the law and made it honourable.

Isaiah 42:21
The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The Lord Jesus Christ never ever told them to stop keeping the law, including temple worship and sacrifices.  In fact he told them the opposite; they were to continue in it until the time appointed of the Father, meaning the Kingdom.  And even then they will still sacrifice as a memorial.

Zechariah 14:21
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Psalm 65:4
Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.

That is the point.  The Millennial temple will come down with Christ at his second coming (Ezekiel 40 – 48).  The Jews will still worship in the holy temple; that is in the New Jerusalem where the Lord is.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

They will still sacrifice as a memorial to the shed blood of Christ who was the offering for them.

John 1:36
And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

Revelation 5:6a
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain,

We as members of the body of Christ have a fellowship meal in the Lord’s supper – food and drink, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is our communion (our “common union”).  It is not the wafer and little sip of wine of Roman Catholicism and certain Protestant denominations.  The Lord’s supper is a fellowship meal, similar to the last supper with food and drink that the Lord had at Passover with his apostles.

During the Kingdom the Jews will sacrifice as a memorial and they will also bring sacrifices to the temple given to them by the gentile nations.  All nations will be under the law.

Isaiah 2:3
And many people [from the nations] shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 11:9
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

God will cause Israel to keep the law under the New Covenant.

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The gentiles will be under the law and will have to bring sacrifices.  Those sacrifices will teach them about the Lord Jesus Christ and his sacrifice – the innocent dying for their guilt – and their need of a savior.

Zechariah 14:16-18
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.  And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.  And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Acts is a book of transition that is written to the nation of Israel.  There were Messianic Jews, members of the Little Flock, who believed on Christ before Paul; and there were Jews who heard and believed Paul’s gospel of grace and were saved into the body of Christ.  The third type of Jew at that time were the unbelieving Jews in Israel and those scattered among the nations who were part of the heathen.

That has now ceased.  For a Jew or gentile to be saved today, they must come through the Pauline preaching of the cross – the gospel of Grace.

Acts 20:24b
…and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

But during the transition Paul took a Nazarite vow in order to appease the Jewish brethren, the Little Flock.

Numbers 6:18
And the Nazarite shall shave the head of his separation at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall take the hair of the head of his separation, and put it in the fire which is under the sacrifice of the peace offerings.

He went so far as to shave his head.

Acts 18:18-19, 21
And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.  And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews. [The Nazarite shaved his head and offered a blood sacrifice.  Paul was going to do that too, but God through his providence stopped him; it wasn’t part of Paul’s ministry.] But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

The clock stopped for the prophetic program and it was temporarily postponed when Saul was saved and the dispensation of grace began.  Obviously, the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet was not going to happen at that time and cannot happen until this present dispensation of grace has ended.

So, all the Jews continued in temple worship until the temple was destroyed in A.D. 70 when there was no longer a place to offer the blood sacrifice.  It wasn’t just the Little Flock who brought the sacrifice, it was also those law-keeping Jews who had not trusted in Christ because they did not believe the old testament testimony about him the way the Little Flock did. 

There were two types of Jews worshipping in the Temple:  the true worshippers (the Little Flock who believed on Jesus but still kept the law including the sacrifices) and the lost Jews who continued in the rites and rituals.  They were just being religious like people are today—having a “form of godliness.”  They observed all the ritual types and shadows of the old testament, but they didn’t trust in Christ. 

The best proof of that is in Acts 21.  There we see James is now the leader of the Little Flock.  First it was Peter, but once Paul’s ministry began to be magnified by the Lord, Peter’s ministry began to diminish because Peter’s role was in Prophecy – the kingdom program which had now been put on hold.  God also changed the head apostleship to James as evidence of that. James is the new testament name for Jacob, a type of Israel.  Peter’s ministry was more kingdom-oriented, and since the kingdom was postponed during the dispensation of grace, James became the head of the Little Flock.  There are a lot of different types there. 

Acts 21:17-26
And when we [Luke is with him] were come to Jerusalem, the brethren [the Little Flock] received us gladly. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.

Paul meets with the Little Flock and James, their leader.

And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. [Paul’s ministry of gentile grace]  And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him,

Watch what James and the elders of Israel, the Little Flock, say to Paul:

Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe [those of the Little Flock]; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.  What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

They were offended.  They had heard a rumor that Paul was telling the Jews who were among the gentiles to ‘forsake Moses,’ ‘don’t keep the law of Moses,’ ‘don’t circumcise your children.’
Now watch what they ask them Paul to do to prove his Jewishness.  Remember the focus in Acts is the Jew.

Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, [in other words, take on the burden of this vow] that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

They go on to say that the gentiles don’t have to, but as Jews we do.

As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

This is that Nazarite vow I mentioned earlier.  They were still offering blood sacrifices.  The point is that the Lord never instructed any of the Little Flock to not continue offering sacrifices. 

The prophetic program will be reinstated after our dispensation of grace ends.  The next dispensation after our resurrection/rapture, is when God the Father will gather all things in his Son Jesus Christ, both in heaven (that is why the body of Christ goes to heaven) and on earth (that is why he will gather a believing remnant of redeemed Israelites into the kingdom).  This is the dispensation of the fullness of times. 

Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Just to clarify, the prophetic program will not be reinstated at the beginning of the Millennium; it will actually be reinstated when the prophetic clock begins again immediately following the rapture.  That which was postponed will commence. 

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Apostasy Part 4


Continued…

Does God allow members of the body of Christ to actually teach and preach a false gospel?  

Yes.

Galatians 1:6-7
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospelWhich is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.   If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Their work will be tried; whatever they build up will be tried by fire.  Notice that even if a man’s work is burned, he himself shall be saved.  He is not the issue; but his works, his sanctification; his service is the issue at the judgment seat of Christ.  Those could all be burned up, but Christ abideth faithful and he cannot deny himself. 

That so-called minister, who is not teaching the truth, but a false gospel, is saved and is still going to heaven—could this also show that he was never saved at all?  It’s possible, but there is no way that we would know that.  There are lost people preaching and teaching a false gospel on the radio and television and from pulpits and they’re lost. When they die or the rapture occurs, they will not go to heaven; God will deal with them.

But saved men can also preach a false gospel.  They abuse God’s grace; they don’t listen to Paul; they don’t rightly divide the word.  It is not our job to try to determine if they are saved or not.  We can’t know for sure anyway; only God knows.

1 Thessalonians 2:4
But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.

You can ask someone what they are trusting in for salvation.  But a person could have trusted Jesus Christ 30 years prior to your asking them that question.  They could have been in a church since then that didn’t teach them a thing about sanctification or even the truth of the gospel.  Maybe they just read it for themselves in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4.  Maybe on the way to their apostate church they heard it from a radio broadcast like ours that makes the gospel of grace clear.  They get saved and go to heaven and are surprised there isn’t anyone else from their church there. 

We don’t know who is saved and who is not.  What we do know is that we ought to share a clear gospel with them so that if they were saved but are now confused we can help them understand.  If they only think they are saved but they are not, we can help them get saved.

But to look at someone who is preaching a false gospel, or who is not living an acceptable Christian life according to denominational expectations (they each have a different view), and say that they are not saved or were never saved or that they lost their salvation is nonsense.  That is not how Paul talks.  Paul says that if you are truly saved by God’s grace, then you are saved and you can’t lose it.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

How long is eternity?  Forever!

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

He never changes his mind; it’s a (free) gift; you’re in Christ.  He promised you to his Son; you belong to Christ no matter how carnal or unbelieving your conduct is.

So assume that the “Christian” in apostasy is lost, particularly if they do not know right division (2 Timothy 2:15); and give them the clear gospel.  You stated in your question that you know that we are saved by grace alone and not by any works that we do, and that we don’t do any works to keep our salvation.  Well there it is!

Men can be a part of the body of Christ and teach and preach but chose not to believe Paul.  Many did in his day and still do today.  I plan to explain how to share your faith - the Romans Road (to salvation) - in a radio program soon and we will post it on YouTube; so stay tuned!


Thursday, August 9, 2012

Apostasy Part 3


How far can a truly saved person go off into apostasy?  
continued...

The flesh has both extremes; it can go either way (carnal or religious).  Satan tries to get you through the carnal flesh like the Corinthian who had his father’s wife (but he was still saved); or through the other extreme of Galatianism – mixing law and grace—leaving Paul’s gospel (Romans through Philemon).  But we are still in the grace of God.


2 Timothy 2:13

 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.


Who is the issue?  Christ is!  I tell people that when it comes to once saved always saved, we are not the issue.  Notice who the issue is according to Paul.


If we believe not, yet he abideth [‘eth’ on the end of the word – continual] faithful:  [why?] he cannot deny himself.

We are members of the church the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

We are in Christ; he is the issue.  We are accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

That is God’s grace.  When God dealt with Israel (the prophetic saints) outside of this dispensation of grace, it was a short-accounts system.  They had to abide in him or they would be lost.

John 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

But not today!  Thank God for his grace!  The dispensation of grace is appreciated when you understand the short-accounts, law-keeping performance-based acceptance system God had the prophetic saints under.

The grace of God doesn’t just keep believers today, but it can restore and reclaim them when they fall from grace, if they are willing.

Galatians 5:1-2, 4
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.  Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

If they were a true believer they did not lose their salvation, but the life of Christ given to them by God did not profit them.  The Corinthians went so far into apostasy that Christ did not profit them anything.  Paul told them to excommunicate the man who had his father’s wife.  He told them to get him out of their assembly.

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Paul wanted his restoration.  We see in Second Corinthians 2 that the man did learn his lesson; Satan got him and taught him a lesson. He wanted to return, but they wouldn’t let him.  Paul had to write to them to tell them to allow it.

2 Corinthians 2:6-11
Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.  So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him. For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.  To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;   Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Believers can’t go so far into apostasy that God can’t recover them by his grace if they are willing.  They might experience some hardship like this man in 1 Corinthians 5 and 2 Corinthians 2, but it was good for him. 2 Corinthians 7 shows us how to repent as a believer.

2 Corinthians 7:9-11
Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.  For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.   For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

‘Clear yourselves!’ Right the wrong! Go beyond the call of duty to fix things and make them right! Particularly if you harmed another saint (i.e., you didn’t love them).

So yes, you can go very far into apostasy. 

Philippians 3:17-19
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.  (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Romans 16:18
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

To be continued…

Tuesday, August 7, 2012

Apostasy Part 2


How far can a truly saved person go off into apostasy?  

Continued...
To the point that they don’t even believe the Lord anymore!  They stop believing on him, on his word.  Let’s say that you were truly saved; you trusted the shed blood of Jesus Christ 20 years ago.  You were in a church that didn’t rightly divide the word and you lost any understanding that you had.  You questioned the truth.  The Corinthians are a good example.  Look what Paul says about them:

1 Corinthians 1:2, 8-9
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:… Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

And also in Phillipians:

Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

The Corinthians got to the point at which they no longer even believed in the physical, bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.  A great passage that contains the Gospel is found in 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

The real reason that Paul wrote that is found in the preceding verse:

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;  By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

He is not saying they weren’t saved (soul salvation); he is talking about being saved from confusion.  Paul is reminding them that what they don’t even believe in anymore, the bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, is our gospel! 

1 Corinthians 15:17, 19
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, [essentially then eat, drink and be merry (Luke 12:19), because:] we are of all men most miserable.

Paul is dealing with the physical, bodily resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15 because they lost that understanding.  If you want to know how far a truly saved person can go into apostasy, look at the Corinthians.  In 1 Corinthians 5, a leader in their assembly who understood ‘once saved always saved’ abused the grace of God.  (It should not be abused [God forbid!] but it can be.)

1 Corinthians 5:1
It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Even the lost, heathen, idol-worshipping gentiles knew that was bad.  A believer was doing things of which even the gentiles said, ‘That ain’t cool.’  Yet he was saved.  I believe that he was a leader teaching that it was alright to do that.  But Paul says, ‘No, no!’

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So a believer can deny the Lord Jesus Christ in works:

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

…and he will deny us an equal share, equal reign with him.  If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful.  A truly saved person can go into apostasy as far as sin will take them…

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 …but not far enough so that the grace of God can’t keep them.

2 Thessalonians 3:3
But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

To be continued…

Thursday, August 2, 2012

Apostasy Part 1

How far can a truly saved person go into apostasy?  Does God allow members of the Body of Christ to actually preach and teach a false gospel?  Does the fact that someone is doing that show that they were never saved in the first place?  I do understand that we are saved by grace alone and not by any works that we do, and that we don’t do any works to keep our salvation.  This has been bothering me for a while; any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated.


You can go into apostasy to the point where you don’t serve the Lord Jesus Christ anymore.   We will look at some verses in which Paul talks about preachers and teachers who do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ.  You can’t get any further away than that.  They were placed into the body of Christ to be preachers and teachers.  That is their part.  God tempered the body – put it together – as he saw fit.

1 Corinthians 12:24
For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

There are people in the body of Christ who have specific duties.

Colossians 4:17
And say to Archippus [who is mentioned in Philemon, perhaps his son], Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.

Here is a brother in the Lord who was given by God the ministry of grace under the Apostle Paul.

Paul says, ‘take heed,’ which is a warning.  Paul is warning Archippus that this is his job; do it well – fulfill it; be faithful to it.  Paul tells Timothy in this famous verse:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

He is going to be held accountable.  Second Timothy is a pastoral epistle.  It is written to pulpit ministries.  There had been some subverting of hearers through words to no profit.

2 Timothy 2:14, 16-18
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearersBut shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 

They were going against God’s word.  Watch this:

And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

So, there is God’s word and the word of preachers.

Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

These men were saved men; they were in the body of Christ.  They were preachers.  They just did not preach the rightly divided word.  They did not recognize/acknowledge Paul’s authority and his office of apostleship; therefore they did not preach the message of the grace of God given to Paul.  They, concerning the truth have erred. It became their word of ungodliness that subverted the hearers.

So how can a truly saved individual go into apostasy?  As far as you can go.  You can get to the point where your conduct is as if you are not saved.  When we talk about apostasy we think of the doctrine of heretics.

Titus 1:5
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Titus is going to ordain elders, the leadership of the local assemblies.

Titus 1:11-13, 16
Whose [Cretians] mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's [money] sake.

There were some teachers and preachers in the body of Christ who were teaching for filthy lucre’s sake (lucrative business).

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts [they tear up the saints/flock], slow bellies [like ‘slugs’ that only consume Phil. 3:19]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Titus, an elder who Paul ordained, has to go and rebuke these people sharply.  Paul never rebukes lost people; he only rebukes those who are saved (whether in the body of Christ or the Little Flock (see Galatians)) who are preachers and teachers.  Watch what he says:

They profess that they know God [They were professing Christians/believers.  The book of Titus is about the good works of grace—the ministry.]; but in works [ministry] they deny him [Christ], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

These men were saved, but just like Hymenaeus and Philetus, their word did eat as doth a canker (a cancer) that was destroying the body of Christ, and they had to be rebuked.

2 Timothy 2:11-13
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him [That is our identification; our spiritual baptism in Christ. Romans 6:2-4]:  If we suffer [Romans 8:17], we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Unlike what most people think, that is not saying you can lose your salvation.  They will go back to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where the Lord says under the prophetic program’s short-accounts system, a performance-based acceptance system under the law for Israel, and equate what Paul says with what the Lord said under the law.

Matthew 10:33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

But that is not for the church the body of Christ.  If you rightly divide God’s word you will know that is for Israel.  That is their program.  We are in a different dispensation – the dispensation of pure grace.

Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

God deals with us based upon our faith in Christ; but most importantly, based on the faith of Christ—his faithfulness.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

2 Timothy 2:12
if we deny him, he also will deny us:

This denial is explained in Titus 1:16:

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

But in works they deny him.  Their so-called ministries deny the Lord Jesus Christ’s word through Paul; and in doing that, they deny Christ.

…if we deny him, he also will deny us:

That refers to our reigning with him.

2 Timothy 2:12-13
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

He will deny us what?  The reign, that equal share.  But look at verse 13.  Paul makes it clear that it is not denial of our salvation.

 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

To be continued…